"If you had asked the apostle Paul, 'If you were to die tonight, do you know for certain that you would be with God in heaven?' I'm certain Paul would have said yes. But he probably would have given you a funny look and wondered why you were asking this question, because to him it missed the point."
- from Adventures in Missing the Point by Brian McLaren.
Y'all hit the nail on the head in your comments, last time. I'm just not sure what we consider salvation to be is what we present it as. More discussion to come.